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Inspiration

Overcoming Self-Doubt ThroughMeditative Awareness

Sharon Salzberg
Sharon Salzberg
Jul 14, 2017
10 min read
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In this live benefit conversation, two senior Buddhist teachers explore how meditative practice helps us move through self-doubt, fear, and self-preoccupation to access deeper capacities for love, wisdom, and genuine connection. Rather than trying to control or suppress our thoughts and emotions, meditation teaches us to become familiar with our inner experience—to "get used to it"—so we can witness our reactions and respond from a place of awareness. They argue that beneath all conditioning lies an unbreakable capacity within every human being to understand our lives, love freely, and live with sustainable happiness.

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What Is the Real Problem with Self-Preoccupation?

One of the opening observations both teachers emphasize is how we habitually confuse self-preoccupation with genuine self-love. When we meet someone, rather than genuinely seeing them, we become lost in a cascade of internal questions: "Do they like me? Do they think I'm stupid? Am I likeable? What will they think of me?" This creates a peculiar form of loneliness—we are physically present with another person, yet mentally absent, locked inside our own narrative.

The teacher illustrates this with a vivid description: we are so consumed with ourselves that we "hardly even notice" the other person. It's as if we are asking ourselves, "What about me? Do you like me? Oh no, I said something stupid, I am out of here." This isn't genuine love for ourselves; it's a self-protective mechanism that actually isolates us. The irony is that this self-preoccupation is supposed to keep us safe, yet it keeps us lonely and disconnected.

There are, however, moments when we break free from this pattern. The teacher describes the experience of recognizing someone not as a stranger but as a fellow human being. She quotes a Chinese tradition: "Under the cherry blossoms shade is no such thing as a stranger." Similarly, another teacher has said, "I've never met anyone I consider a stranger." These aren't sentimental statements—they point to a radical shift in perception where self-preoccupation dissolves and genuine connection becomes possible.

How Does Meditation Create Space Between Thought and Reaction?

The foundational claim of Buddhist meditation is that while we cannot control the thoughts and emotions that arise in our minds, we have the capacity to affect our relationship to them through awareness. The teacher describes the mind as "a cascade of recursive thoughts and emotions"—we might wake up afraid, then feel faith, then happiness, then sadness, all without our permission. We cannot successfully dictate to ourselves: "I have grieved long enough, so I am done grieving," or "I will never be afraid again." The attempt to dominate or suppress our mental states simply does not work.

What meditation offers instead is familiarization. In Tibetan Buddhism, meditation is translated as "getting used to it"—getting used to our discomfort, self-imposed limitations, manufactured fear, and bias. This is not passive acceptance; it is active awareness. By meditating, we create psychological space where we can observe our emotions and witness our impulses to react without being entirely controlled by them.

The teacher emphasizes that this capacity for awareness is not something we need to develop from scratch. Rather, meditation helps us "make a home in the deepest places we have already known." The implication is that clarity, wisdom, and love are not foreign experiences we must import from outside ourselves. They already exist within our own mind and heart. Meditation is the practice of recognizing and trusting what we have already, in some form, experienced.

What Is the Buddha's Answer to Human Suffering?

The teacher frames the Buddha's original inquiry in deeply human terms. The Buddha asked: What does it mean to be born in a human body—so helpless and vulnerable to the actions of others? What does it mean to grow up and face aging, sickness, and death whether we want them or not? And crucially: Is there a quality of happiness that can sustain us, even as the body and circumstances do their thing outside our control?

This is not asking for pleasure or comfort. Rather, it is asking whether there exists a form of happiness that is not destroyed by loss, illness, disappointment, or aging. The teacher calls this "a very special kind of happiness"—one that does not depend on external conditions being favorable. It is a happiness that can coexist with pain, change, and uncertainty.

The Buddhist answer, according to the teacher, rests on a fundamental insight: the Buddha discovered the answers to his questions "through the power of his own awareness." He did not rely on dogma or inherited belief. He used his own mind as a laboratory for understanding the nature of suffering and the possibility of liberation. Importantly, the teaching asserts that "whatever our questions are about the deeper nature of life, we have that capacity." We are not dependent on the Buddha's answers alone; we are invited to investigate our own experience and discover what is true.

What Does It Mean That Our Capacity to Be Free Cannot Be Broken?

One of the most radical claims in Buddhist teaching is this: "Whatever your personal history, whatever your story, whatever you have gone through, whatever you may yet go through, there is a capacity within everybody that can never ever be broken." This capacity is, in most people, "covered over" and "hard to find" and "often very hard to trust." But it exists nonetheless.

The teacher is not claiming that trauma doesn't matter, or that our conditioning doesn't shape us profoundly. Rather, she is saying that beneath all the layers of conditioning—beneath the self-doubt, the fear, the stories we tell about ourselves—there lies something unbreakable: a capacity to understand, to love, to be free. It may be buried. It may seem impossible to access. But it is not destroyed.

This is why the methodology of meditation matters so much. Through regular practice, we can gradually uncover this capacity. We learn to distinguish between our thoughts and the awareness that witnesses those thoughts. We learn to distinguish between our emotional reactions and the spaciousness in which those reactions occur. Over time, this distinction becomes more stable and trustworthy. We begin to have a lived experience, not just an intellectual belief, that there is something within us that is not broken by circumstance.

How Does Personal History Become a Teaching Rather Than a Prison?

Early in the conversation, the teacher shares a personal story about her own paralysis. When she and her co-teacher returned from India to teach in 1974-1975, she was unable to give public talks. She was "too petrified" to stand in front of a group. At the first month-long retreat they taught, she could not bring herself to deliver the evening lecture—the central event of the day. Her co-teacher had to give all the talks, and some audience members protested, asking why the female teacher would not speak.

Months later, she had an insight: she could give one talk on loving-kindness (metta), because there is a guided meditation for loving-kindness. If her mind went blank, she could simply enter the meditation, and no one would notice the gap. So she gave that talk. Over time, she gave many more versions of the loving-kindness talk. Then one day she realized: "They're kind of all loving-kindness talks, because that's what it's about. It's just about connecting with people."

This realization was the turning point. She stopped trying to be an expert imparting knowledge and started simply sharing a practice of connection. Once she understood the essence of teaching as an act of love and attentiveness rather than performance or authority, her fear dissolved. She could give talks.

Years later, at a dinner party, when asked about her happiest moment at work, she recounted this breakthrough—the moment she "broke through what was really a self-imposed sense of limitation" and "could see through the fear into something that would really bring me to a kind of steadiness of caring, of openness and connection." The story is not presented as a triumph or a feel-good narrative. Rather, it illustrates the exact mechanism the teaching describes: through awareness and practice, we can see through the fear and recognize it for what it is—self-imposed, not ultimately real—and thereby access something stable and genuine underneath.

What Is the Relationship Between Belief and Practice?

The teacher emphasizes that you do not need to become a Buddhist, adopt a belief system, or accept a dogma in order to practice meditation. The methodology itself is non-doctrinal. You can investigate your own mind, your own capacity for awareness, without signing on to any particular worldview. The instructions are simple: sit, pay attention, notice what arises, return your attention when it wanders. This can be done by anyone, regardless of their beliefs about God, rebirth, karma, or the nature of reality.

That said, the teacher does note that many stories and teachings within Buddhist traditions include concepts like rebirth and karma. When these topics arise in questions, the approach is pragmatic rather than dogmatic: these teachings point toward the idea that our actions matter, that intention matters, and that causes have consequences. Whether one believes literally in rebirth is secondary to the lived understanding that how we act today shapes our experience tomorrow and beyond.

How Do We Work with Painful Emotions in Meditation?

A practice that arises in the conversation is the willingness to stay present with painful emotions rather than fleeing them. The teacher describes this as an act of "experimentation"—you set the conditions for practice and observe what happens. This might include sitting with sadness, fear, or shame without immediately trying to fix or escape the feeling.

This is not masochism. Rather, it is recognizing that our habitual response to pain is to push it away, distract ourselves, or become lost in the story around the pain. When we instead turn toward the pain with awareness and curiosity, something shifts. The pain may still be present, but it is no longer fused with our sense of self. We can feel sadness without being the story "I am a sad person." We can feel fear without being the story "I am a fearful person." This subtle distinction opens up space for freedom.

Where to Go From Here

The teachings offered in this conversation point toward a concrete practice: meditation. Start with a simple form of attention—focus on your breath, or on loving-kindness phrases. Notice what happens when your mind wanders. Return your attention without judgment. Over weeks and months, you will begin to develop a different relationship to your thoughts and emotions. You will start to recognize that thoughts are not commands, that emotions are not identities, and that beneath the constant flow of mental and emotional activity, there is a steadiness available to you.

You might also reflect on the moments in your own life when you have broken free from self-preoccupation and genuinely connected with another person. What made that possible? What was different about your mind in that moment? Can you cultivate more of those moments through deliberate practice?

Finally, consider experimenting with the core insight: Is there a capacity within me that cannot be broken? Rather than trying to answer this intellectually, investigate it through your own awareness. Sit in meditation. Pay attention to what arises and passes. Notice the awareness itself—the fact that you are aware of thoughts, emotions, and sensations. That awareness, that capacity to know, may be closer to your true nature than any of the particular thoughts or emotions you experience.

Transcript

[0:02] [Applause]

[0:03] [Music]

[0:14] what we do tonight is I'm going to speak

[0:17] some joseph´s going to lead us in a

[0:20] guided meditation and then we're each

[0:23] going to be with you in

[0:26] question-and-answer and dialogue and

[0:27] even if you address a question to one of

[0:30] us that may be that the other one of us

[0:32] chimes in as well and when Joseph

[0:39] proposed this particular design for the

[0:43] evening I thought of the long long long

[0:50] time when we were first teaching

[0:55] together at you know 1974 1975 when we

[1:02] need to come back from India and I was

[1:05] too petrified to give a public talk and

[1:10] if any of you have ever been to one of

[1:14] our retreats the intensive retreats

[1:16] which was the only forum we were

[1:19] teaching it in those days you know that

[1:22] the schedule is such that there's like

[1:28] guidance and questions and answers in

[1:30] the morning and you basically do your

[1:34] practice throughout the day and his

[1:38] meetings with teachers and things like

[1:40] that but the the big event of the day so

[1:43] I sure the meals is a lecture at night

[1:46] it's a talk at night and I couldn't do

[1:49] it

[1:49] so the first retreat we ever taught in

[1:52] this country was a month-long retreat

[1:55] and I couldn't give a talk I couldn't

[1:57] bring myself to do it as I was just too

[1:59] scared and Joseph had to give all the

[2:02] talk and quite a number of feminists

[2:09] were coming up and yelling at him

[2:11] and saying why won't you let her give a

[2:15] talk why wouldn't you let her have a

[2:17] voice and he would say I'd be so

[2:21] delighted if she'd only give a talk she

[2:23] won't do it talk to her I couldn't do it

[2:26] I mean it was just petrified and then

[2:31] sometime later and it was quite a few

[2:33] months later it struck me you know I

[2:36] could give this one talk on meta METAR

[2:40] loving-kindness because there is a

[2:43] particular guided meditation for

[2:46] loving-kindness so if my mind goes

[2:48] completely blank I could just go into

[2:52] the guided meditation and maybe no one

[2:55] will notice and just as an aside I not

[2:59] too long ago I saw Pema Chodron on a

[3:01] Pema Chodron

[3:02] and I told her this story and she said

[3:04] oh the thing that used to really keep me

[3:08] from wanting to give a talk was the fear

[3:10] that my mind would go blank and I would

[3:13] start speaking again but it would be on

[3:15] a different topic and she said in all

[3:18] these years not one person has

[3:20] complained like you gave two talks in

[3:22] one or you switch topics all of a sudden

[3:25] anyway back to me so I thought you know

[3:28] I could give a loving-kindness talk

[3:30] because let's just go into the guided

[3:32] meditation and no one will think that

[3:34] was weird or anything so at home and

[3:37] very I have piles and piles and piles of

[3:40] cassettes because there are tapes right

[3:42] in those days of me basically giving one

[3:45] talk the only talk I could give which

[3:47] was on loving-kindness and then one day

[3:50] it suddenly struck me wow they're kind

[3:56] of all loving-kindness talks because

[3:58] that's what it's about it's just about

[4:00] connecting with people it's not about

[4:03] really trying to impart your expertise

[4:06] or anything like that they're all

[4:08] loving-kindness talks and that was the

[4:12] day I could begin to actually give talks

[4:14] and as interesting this came out some

[4:18] friends after my book real happiness at

[4:20] work came out we were having

[4:21] a friends gave me this lovely little

[4:24] dinner party and the topic around the

[4:28] table was what was your happiest moment

[4:30] work and I talked about that moment

[4:32] where I kind of broke through what was

[4:35] really a self-imposed sense of

[4:37] limitation there was no ultimate reality

[4:40] to it and I could see through the fear

[4:45] into something that would really bring

[4:49] me to kind of steadiness of caring of of

[4:53] openness and connection and so I told

[4:57] that story and then we went around the

[4:58] table and Joseph said rose Joseph's

[5:01] Chinese said his happiest moment at work

[5:04] was when I finally started giving talk

[5:06] because he could have a night off and I

[5:10] thought oh here we are

[5:11] like I'm giving this up isn't that

[5:14] interesting

[5:15] forty years later but I think about that

[5:21] kind of moment we all have those moments

[5:23] don't we where we have a feeling maybe

[5:28] we've existed in a darkened closed room

[5:32] and suddenly the door opens and maybe we

[5:37] don't know really what's outside for

[5:42] sure but we know it's something bigger

[5:45] something maybe we could not even have

[5:48] imagined when we were just within the

[5:51] confines of that other space or we have

[5:55] a time when we're kind of lost in our

[5:58] own self preoccupation we meet somebody

[6:02] who's this beautiful quotation in a

[6:05] Chinese tradition which says under the

[6:10] cherry blossoms shade is no such thing

[6:12] as a stranger and as Ali Lama himself

[6:17] has said I've never met anyone I

[6:20] consider a stranger I've never met

[6:23] anyone I consider a stranger and you

[6:25] think about that if you think about how

[6:28] we might more normally meet somebody

[6:31] and it's like we hardly even notice them

[6:35] it's really all what about me

[6:40] do you like me do you like me more than

[6:43] you've ever liked anybody before or no

[6:47] is this something stupid you hate me I'm

[6:49] out of here

[6:49] this is unworkable and I think one of

[6:56] our great mistaken kinds of conditioning

[6:59] is to confuse self preoccupation with

[7:02] genuine love for ourselves and we are so

[7:06] lonely as we don't even notice others

[7:09] and we just live within the the confines

[7:12] of this kind of assumption and then we

[7:14] have these moments for one reason or

[7:18] another where we can let go of that and

[7:22] and we much more truly connect and it's

[7:27] so beautiful so one of the things I

[7:30] think that actually drew me to exploring

[7:35] the Buddhist tradition the most profound

[7:37] thing was the methodology of meditation

[7:41] for which one clearly you know does not

[7:45] have to become a Buddhist in any way or

[7:49] adopt a belief system or a dogma but

[7:54] even beyond that I think one of the

[7:56] things that Jimmy was his message about

[8:00] the capacity of the human heart about

[8:04] the potential of a human being in all

[8:07] the descriptions of the Buddha he's

[8:10] always talked about as having been a

[8:11] human being who had some very human

[8:15] questions about life basically what does

[8:20] it mean to be born in this human body to

[8:22] be an infant to be so helpless and so

[8:26] vulnerable to the actions of those

[8:27] around you and to grow up and to get

[8:31] sick to get older to die whether you

[8:34] want that or not and is there a quality

[8:37] of happiness

[8:39] that can sustain even as the body does

[8:43] its thing outside of our control and

[8:47] what does it mean to have a human mind

[8:49] with the kind of emotional cascade we go

[8:53] through so we might wake up in the

[8:55] morning and we're afraid and then we're

[8:56] full of faith and we're happy we're sad

[8:59] round and round without seeming to have

[9:01] the ability successfully to say I

[9:04] thought about it long you know I thought

[9:06] about it really deeply and I'm never

[9:09] going to be afraid again or I've grieved

[9:12] long enough it's over or I'm never going

[9:15] to fall asleep meditating again you know

[9:18] it's not to say we can't affect the

[9:20] conditions that cause something to arise

[9:23] clearly we can but to control them to

[9:27] insist to be able to dominate it's just

[9:30] not going to happen and so the question

[9:34] is is there a quality of happiness and

[9:37] Curly needs to be a very special kind of

[9:39] happiness it's not just having a good

[9:41] time right is there a kind of happiness

[9:44] that can be there can sustain that won't

[9:47] be broken as our minds go through all of

[9:51] these changes and our hearts go through

[9:53] all of these changes so it's said that

[9:56] any answers the Buddha came to he came

[9:58] to through the power is own awareness

[10:00] and so can we whatever our questions are

[10:04] about the deeper nature of life we have

[10:08] that capacity and so it's taught that

[10:11] whatever your personal history whatever

[10:14] your story whatever you have gone

[10:18] through whatever you may yet go through

[10:20] there is a capacity within everybody

[10:24] that can never ever be broken it may be

[10:27] and it usually is covered over and the

[10:31] sky's hard to find and often very hard

[10:35] to trust and I think those fits are

[10:36] going to be free right up here so people

[10:39] can just be seated there instead of

[10:41] being squeezed in and then we have the

[10:45] upper realm with there too which is kind

[10:47] Singh okay so so I found that

[10:51] breathtaking the thought that if you

[10:54] look deeply enough inside you would

[10:58] discover this potential this capacity

[11:02] this ability to understand your life to

[11:07] have wisdom to love to connect to be

[11:11] free a very different worldview than

[11:14] many praise like if you really know who

[11:18] you were be big trouble

[11:20] so it's on the basis of that sense of a

[11:24] capacity as an ordinary human being that

[11:27] we practice because it makes no sense to

[11:32] think about trying to make something

[11:33] from nothing I mean there's futility

[11:37] right but it's because it is said we

[11:40] have that potential that we practice we

[11:45] grow we change we transform and I just

[11:49] felt what a massively inclusive vision

[11:53] of a human being it's like you don't

[11:55] have to do preparatory work to have the

[11:58] capacity you don't have to be absolved

[12:03] to have that capacity you don't have to

[12:07] do something to deserve it that's

[12:10] special

[12:11] it's simply by existing no matter who

[12:15] you are no matter what you may have done

[12:17] so that was a tremendous tremendous

[12:21] impetus for me and inspiration for me to

[12:25] to really see what might might exist

[12:28] there so the word of meditation that we

[12:32] use of course so much in the Pali

[12:37] language language of the original

[12:38] Buddhist texts is Bhavana BH a VA na and

[12:45] the common translation of it is

[12:49] cultivation so it's like we cultivate

[12:53] the ground so that the quality is we

[12:57] want the clarity awareness love can

[13:00] emerge

[13:01] and Spratt and tradition is also it is

[13:05] this really cute phrase that is used

[13:08] sometimes to translate whatever word

[13:11] they have that we usually translate as

[13:14] meditation and the phrase is getting

[13:18] used to it getting familiar with it

[13:22] getting used to it so of course that

[13:25] brings up the question what in the world

[13:27] is it letting go of self-imposed

[13:31] limitations of seeing clearly of

[13:34] connecting deeply deeply with others of

[13:38] seeing the manufactured nature of our

[13:42] fear or our bias seeing right through it

[13:46] we've had these moments each of us

[13:49] sometimes through tremendous suffering

[13:52] sometimes through inspiration through

[13:55] love

[13:56] however it's come but we don't tend to

[14:00] be awfully used to them we don't tend to

[14:03] live there so from that definition from

[14:07] that point of view we practice

[14:10] meditation to make a home in the deepest

[14:14] places we have already known it's not so

[14:17] unknown is that's so kind of impossible

[14:20] to imagine as an experience it's not so

[14:23] abstract a four-way we've been there but

[14:28] rather fleeting we usually we have some

[14:30] kind of important experience like that

[14:33] and it just comes and it goes and it's

[14:36] gone and we think what was that

[14:40] I don't think I'll tell anyone about

[14:43] that or I think I'll tell everyone about

[14:46] that or I don't know how to get back

[14:50] there right somebody told me she choose

[14:59] beginning meditation and she I think I

[15:01] think the first sitting she had some

[15:06] really lovely peaceful wonderful

[15:10] experience

[15:12] and then she has the thought something

[15:14] like I think I'm in trouble

[15:16] and I said yeah because of course she

[15:18] doesn't spends a long time but how do I

[15:20] get it back that I get fact with some

[15:23] ferocity and she suffered you know so to

[15:27] learn how to make a home in the deepest

[15:30] places we have already known that's a

[15:33] pretty beautiful way to think of

[15:35] practice right rather than I'm like the

[15:38] worst meditator that ever lived and I

[15:40] can barely believe I will ever ever ever

[15:42] have a single moment of anything

[15:45] resembling mindfulness whatever that

[15:47] means

[15:49] so it's a very different kind of feeling

[15:53] tone and and sense of joy and

[15:56] exploration and confidence and as as we

[16:00] go forward I think of meditation

[16:04] practice largely as a kind of skills

[16:07] training and is training and I was I was

[16:15] landed in London and went right to see

[16:17] friends in the theater and to get to the

[16:20] bathroom or to leave which I desperately

[16:22] need to do because I was falling asleep

[16:24] you had to sort of go all the way down

[16:25] the aisle practically onto the stage and

[16:28] then leave which was really hard to hang

[16:32] in there actual intermission so Bravo

[16:33] all you people going bathroom so I

[16:39] largely think of meditation as a skills

[16:42] training it's almost like the skills we

[16:45] need to come home to abide in those

[16:48] places so it really doesn't have to be

[16:51] tied to a belief system or particular

[16:54] kind of language or or way of being but

[16:58] we do need to have some trust in a

[17:04] little bit of trust in the capacity of

[17:06] our own being even as we get frustrated

[17:11] or or just made or feel like nothing is

[17:14] happening and over 45 years I feel like

[17:19] I've been through a lot of those periods

[17:22] my very very

[17:24] it's story which maybe I'll close with

[17:25] suggest we can lead us in meditation

[17:28] about IMS in a way and of course there

[17:31] are many and this is like nostalgia time

[17:33] so we're just telling stories remember

[17:35] when we first moved in and they were

[17:39] pews everywhere and remember when you

[17:43] know there's no arch and remember when

[17:47] instead of saying meta MH TTA above the

[17:50] doorway said father's with the Blessed

[17:52] Sacrament initiative um

[17:57] so but one of my favorite amongst of the

[18:00] many stories is within the first month

[18:07] we received two letters that were

[18:10] remarkable for how they were addressed

[18:11] the first instead of being addressed to

[18:15] the Insight Meditation Society was

[18:18] addressed to the instant meditation

[18:21] society and I love that you know I

[18:24] thought wow isn't that typical of what

[18:28] we think that we need instant

[18:31] gratification has to happen right away

[18:33] or it's worthless and the second which

[18:37] is so much my favorite instead of being

[18:41] addressed to the Insight Meditation

[18:43] Society was addressed to the hindsight

[18:47] meditation I love that and everyone here

[18:54] from IMS oh there are a few people here

[18:56] and know that those that you know every

[18:59] kind of big anniversary season if we

[19:02] talk about like t-shirts and mugs and

[19:05] things like that I always put in a plug

[19:08] for the hindsight meditation society

[19:11] which no one has wanted to do I don't

[19:17] even know are we having t-shirts this

[19:19] year we are oh I was told no see they

[19:24] try to keep things for me so uh uh okay

[19:28] just so you know I really like behind

[19:31] site meditation side

[19:33] because I really feel you know sincerely

[19:36] like I have put in so many hours

[19:39] practicing so so many hours in my own

[19:41] spiritual life feeling nothing was

[19:44] happening only for me to look back later

[19:47] in hindsight and say look at that

[19:49] something was happening or even that

[19:53] really hurt but that in a way I could

[19:57] never have imagined was kind of

[19:59] preparing me for what came next and so

[20:03] many times in my life of trying to make

[20:08] a difference or be of service in the

[20:10] world where I felt like is it going

[20:12] nowhere

[20:13] only when I'm lucky I feel like I can

[20:16] look back and say look at that that

[20:19] actually planted a seed at the time I

[20:23] never could have told it was having a

[20:25] result but look at that it really did

[20:30] set something in motion that maybe took

[20:32] a longer time or took in different

[20:35] directions somewhat than I had imagined

[20:37] but if I had not done that maybe nothing

[20:40] would have come to pass

[20:42] so I think that the hindsight meditation

[20:47] society really is a tremendous sign of

[20:52] wisdom and since so funny because in the

[20:56] 40 years since then since we opened

[21:01] we're only as far as I know maybe it's

[21:03] cuz nobody those letters anymore but as

[21:05] far as I know we've only gotten one

[21:08] envelope that had kind of a weird

[21:11] address on it which was instead of being

[21:14] addressed to the Insight Meditation

[21:16] Society was addressed to the Insight

[21:19] Meditation Society like insight

[21:22] revolution or insight something so that

[21:25] was kind of fun but I think with the

[21:29] wisdom of the hindsight meditation

[21:31] society and some kind of faith or a

[21:35] sense of trust in that capacity that we

[21:38] really have have the possibility of

[21:40] really a lifetime of a path or

[21:44] all questions have dissolved into that

[21:47] open empty space but if any how still

[21:53] remaining

[21:54] Shannon I would be glad to there's going

[21:59] to be a mic is coming to you I think

[22:07] thank you so is there a difference

[22:14] between consciousness and awareness and

[22:18] if you are ever fortunate enough to be

[22:22] in either of those states are you aware

[22:25] or conscious that you're conscious or

[22:27] aware yet the question was is there a

[22:40] difference between awareness and

[22:42] consciousness and if you're fortunate

[22:44] enough to be in either one of them do

[22:46] you know you're aware or conscious

[22:48] that's basically yeah so one of the

[22:53] problems in talking about this is that

[22:57] in English the English words are not as

[23:02] precise as the words for example in the

[23:06] Buddhist texts of the pali language or

[23:08] web science go to tibetan we use the

[23:11] word awareness in english and

[23:14] consciousness to cover a wide range of

[23:19] meanings and that's why i can get

[23:22] confusing generally we talk of

[23:26] consciousness as as the bear knowing

[23:30] faculty just knowing a saya to found the

[23:33] smell there need not be any particular

[23:36] mindfulness associated with that so the

[23:40] example I use for example I talk about

[23:44] black lab consciousness so you know the

[23:47] dogs black lab fun dogs and the play :

[23:52] well when you watch them

[23:55] they're conscious they're not

[23:56] unconscious they're conscious of the

[23:59] smells and the sights and the sounds

[24:00] they don't look very mindful

[24:04] so there's not awareness in the sense of

[24:08] mindfulness but if you're using

[24:13] awareness to mean are they conscious yes

[24:16] they're conscious but without that

[24:19] component of mindfulness which we

[24:21] usually include when we use the word

[24:26] awareness so in that sense that's the

[24:30] sense those two are different it's very

[24:34] possible to be in that black black lab

[24:36] consciousness and not know it's good

[24:40] really can be a completely diluted State

[24:42] we were just caught up in what's

[24:45] happening when there's mindfulness or

[24:49] awareness associated with the

[24:51] consciousness then we are knowing that

[24:55] we are aware so I hope that helped to

[24:58] clarify a little but it can be confusing

[25:00] the words in English as I said cover a

[25:02] wide range of different meanings so

[25:08] they're bringing in like spring your

[25:11] microphone okay I'm going to be greedy

[25:14] and have two questions one I'm kind of

[25:18] new to this so is there a difference

[25:21] between Insight Meditation trans mental

[25:24] Transcendental Meditation and any other

[25:27] kind of meditation is that one of two

[25:31] what was wrong so the first question was

[25:35] is there difference between Insight

[25:38] Meditation Transcendental Meditation and

[25:41] then the other kind of meditation from

[25:45] the point of view of Insight Meditation

[25:48] they say yes in that you even within

[25:53] Insight Meditation what kind of a larger

[25:56] category you might devote time to most

[26:00] particularly deepening

[26:03] the quality of concentration that's a

[26:07] kind of stability of attention and

[26:09] steadiness of attention and classically

[26:12] that's done by choosing an object of

[26:14] awareness resting our attention on that

[26:17] object and coming back to seventy

[26:20] billion times per session that our

[26:22] attention wanders so the

[26:28] transformational moment in that type of

[26:31] technique is letting go of whatever is

[26:34] not that object it could be the most

[26:37] beautiful thought in the world the most

[26:40] dreadful thought in the world it's just

[26:42] not that object right so you just let go

[26:44] and come back and let go and come back

[26:46] so over time you build this kind of

[26:49] strength and steadiness and centeredness

[26:52] of mind and some extraordinary access to

[26:56] much deeper states of consciousness

[26:59] because you've gathered a lot of energy

[27:02] that is normally wasted so what that

[27:04] central object is could be anything so

[27:07] even within say Buddha's teaching could

[27:09] be a mantra could be a sound could be an

[27:11] image could be something happening in

[27:13] your body could be a prayer could be

[27:15] loving kindness very commonly at least

[27:20] for part of your practice that object

[27:22] that centering object will be the breath

[27:27] for a number of reasons as my early

[27:29] teachers would say first of all you

[27:31] don't have to believe anything in order

[27:32] to feel your breath you don't have to

[27:34] close with a Buddhist or Hindu or reject

[27:37] anything else if you're breathing you

[27:38] can be meditating and then as one said I

[27:41] was felt very charmingly he said the

[27:43] breath is very portable you know so if

[27:46] you practice take ten minutes a day in a

[27:48] formal dedicated way using the breath as

[27:51] the means to get back to yourself and

[27:54] back to the moment then you're at work

[27:56] and it's crazy and the pressures are on

[27:59] and people are getting anxious and it's

[28:01] just this frantic pace you don't have to

[28:04] like open up the closet door and pull

[28:07] out all this equipment and sit down of

[28:08] course I couldn't look weird right with

[28:10] your Gong and everything

[28:11] you know it's like you're breathing

[28:14] nobody even has to know you're doing it

[28:16] right but so all of that would fall into

[28:18] from the point of view of Buddha's

[28:22] teaching or Insight Meditation all that

[28:23] falls under concentration then there are

[28:27] ways of practicing where we build on

[28:32] that concentration so that we then apply

[28:34] a quality of open awareness or non it's

[28:41] kind of awareness without a lot of

[28:43] filters holding on pushing away stuff

[28:45] like that so what's happening in our

[28:48] body so it's not just one object anymore

[28:50] you know it's the body it's emotions and

[28:52] thoughts whatever arises and until it

[28:55] becomes a way of having a different kind

[29:00] of awareness of everything that happens

[29:03] for us and the muscle of that the engine

[29:07] of that kind of practice is mindfulness

[29:09] so you know any mindfulness practice

[29:12] ultimately is supposed to be about

[29:13] insight so it's not just about

[29:15] collecting that energy but utilizing

[29:19] that collective energy as a way of

[29:21] seeing more clearly everything we're

[29:23] going to so from that point of view

[29:25] that's a distinction they would make so

[29:27] when you speak of an object you are not

[29:29] speaking of gazing at a candle or an

[29:31] apple or it could be that it could be it

[29:34] could be any object yes okay second

[29:37] question is could you please address the

[29:40] idea of chronic pain and how

[29:43] debilitating that is and how to kind of

[29:47] use mindfulness to get around it all

[29:52] right yeah I mean that would be that

[29:56] would be an example of the question was

[29:59] about chronic pain and how debilitating

[30:01] it can be and using mindfulness as a way

[30:04] of getting around it that would be an

[30:06] example of paying attention to something

[30:12] other than just the breath or something

[30:16] you know but using that kind of

[30:19] awareness towards something that's very

[30:21] compelling that's really capturing your

[30:24] attention

[30:24] so the first thing we say well first

[30:26] thing I would say is that it's not easy

[30:28] you know so I think that's a given and

[30:31] you have to be kind of forgiving for

[30:34] yourself and not have the instant

[30:38] mindset you know going west because it's

[30:42] not easy but it's possible to make a

[30:44] difference even research is showing that

[30:51] there was an experiment that was done in

[30:53] Richie Davidson's lab in Madison

[30:56] Wisconsin where somehow he got

[31:00] permission to induce pain physical pain

[31:03] people we also used physical pain as a

[31:06] kind of template to more deeply

[31:09] understand emotional pain and heartache

[31:11] and so on but he got permission to

[31:14] induce physical pain in people and they

[31:17] had a group of meditators and a group of

[31:18] non-meditators and what he found was

[31:21] that the meditators and the

[31:24] non-meditators pretty well responded the

[31:27] same way to pain but as soon as the pain

[31:30] was withdrawn the non-meditators root

[31:34] end to flip into a cycle of anticipation

[31:37] when's it coming back how bad is it

[31:39] going to be maybe it'll be even worse so

[31:42] whatever got like heightened and

[31:43] whatever in their brains because they're

[31:46] an fMRI never receded so there was never

[31:50] a period of repose right whereas the

[31:53] meditators would have whatever reaction

[31:54] to painters regime in beans and it hurts

[31:57] and then the pain went away they could

[32:00] let go and be with what was so I thought

[32:04] that was so interesting both in what we

[32:09] can expect of ourselves and not having

[32:11] unreasonable expectations but also it's

[32:13] not so much the pain is the extra pain

[32:15] like what might we be doing just before

[32:18] sore habit that's making it actually

[32:21] worse anticipating the future feeling

[32:25] isolated blaming ourselves feeling

[32:28] ashamed and whatever it might be that we

[32:30] add on so the first thing we say mindful

[32:33] practice really look for the add-on

[32:35] you know what might again it's just

[32:39] habit it's not because they're bad

[32:41] person or something you know but just

[32:43] before some habit we tend to add on a

[32:45] lot of stuff right so that's the first

[32:48] place and then that gives us some room

[32:50] to look more directly at the pain and

[32:54] what we see this is true for any

[32:56] experience is that it's not just one

[32:58] thing it's in that case maybe it's

[33:02] moments of pressure and moments of

[33:05] burning and romance of twisting them

[33:07] none of that sounds good and none of

[33:09] that feels good

[33:10] but that's in a live system right

[33:12] there's movement in their salt like the

[33:15] solid congealed overwhelming oppressive

[33:18] pain that never moves it's alive and

[33:22] like a friend of mine with a very severe

[33:26] chronic pain condition said I found this

[33:30] space within the pain right but we can

[33:34] only do that when we're with it without

[33:36] animal-like stuff to it so that that's

[33:40] basically what we do I'll just add one

[33:44] little piece to that which type into the

[33:46] meditation revision that one of the ways

[33:50] we do solidify our sense of the

[33:53] experience is through overlaying the

[33:56] pain with a concept my head my shoulder

[34:01] my back but actually there's no

[34:04] sensation cold back there's no sensation

[34:07] cold head so we're not actually feeling

[34:10] back or feeling head a challenger said

[34:13] we're feeling pressure or tightness or

[34:15] standing whatever it is when we go from

[34:18] the level of the concept overlay to the

[34:23] direct experience that allows us then to

[34:26] to experience the pain in enjoy sharing

[34:29] expresses in a live dynamic system so

[34:32] but we're so conditioned to think in

[34:34] terms of the concept of our body you

[34:40] know and then that solidifies our

[34:42] relationship to it

[34:53] hi thank you so much

[34:55] I'm not sure how to form the question

[34:58] but they guided meditation we did I've

[35:01] never done anything like that and it

[35:04] kind of blew my mind so I just I thought

[35:08] that that the first person would talk

[35:10] about it I am not sure if the experience

[35:16] that I was having was I mean I'm not

[35:19] sure there's not a right or wrong but I

[35:23] just wanted to ask I didn't know if I

[35:28] was kind of going on a magical mystery

[35:33] ride if I was like but that was really I

[35:39] mean your voice was amazing and like

[35:48] just what you were saying over and over

[35:50] and there's no shape and there's no

[35:54] boundaries and nobody I mean I was there

[35:59] when you said now look at your actual

[36:02] mind you know I

[36:07] it was white snowy a little great having

[36:10] me i what were we doing I was inside I

[36:14] dunno I mean there weren't like no

[36:17] thought except one creeped in and it was

[36:19] like is this like a college yeah sure I

[36:23] don't know but and I was I went back to

[36:26] my breath a little kid to like a so I

[36:29] just wondered could you say something

[36:31] about

[36:36] this is a little hard to repeat but it

[36:41] was about her experience of the guided

[36:44] meditation and feeling a little bit like

[36:47] it was a magical mystery tour something

[36:50] or other and not even quite sure why but

[36:53] that there was some sense of boundaries

[36:55] dissolving and the space of mind being

[36:58] empty and so all that sounds great I

[37:11] guess there are a couple of a couple of

[37:14] key points about meditation in general

[37:17] about experiences like this or other

[37:20] kinds of meditative experiences and

[37:25] sharing did refer to this will have all

[37:33] kinds of experiences you know in

[37:35] practice and different forms of practice

[37:37] may lead us to different places in

[37:42] ourselves so the important thing is to

[37:46] be open to all this into the using these

[37:49] different methods but without clinging

[37:52] to any of it without clinging to any of

[37:55] it because the real essence of freedom

[37:59] the very bottom line of any practice

[38:05] leading to liberation is cultivating in

[38:10] one way or another the mind that does

[38:13] not cling and there are some famous

[38:16] Buddhist discourses where as a develop a

[38:20] mind which does not cling to anything

[38:22] and so I think it's really important to

[38:26] understand that because it is so easy

[38:30] especially as we have different

[38:33] experiences like you described and many

[38:35] many others it becomes very easy to

[38:38] become fascinated we

[38:39] experience and we either then try to

[38:43] recreate it we miss the point that

[38:48] really what we're practicing is the mind

[38:50] that's not holding on so we want to

[38:53] remind ourselves again and again even as

[38:55] we're having different experiences

[38:58] that's what the essence is the essence

[39:01] of the free mind what I felt like you

[39:08] were a great guide you know I knew there

[39:14] was a gentleman here who entertained

[39:16] them

[39:30] your many years of practice must have

[39:34] led you to develop cities or telepathic

[39:41] powers because I think you just adding

[39:45] in love what is the most important thing

[39:48] in life in life your attorney you said

[40:01] you answer largely not clinging somebody

[40:06] behind me to set in white

[40:07] no not white light but you said that the

[40:12] question was well first it was something

[40:16] about Joseph's already answered the

[40:18] question before was asked and then what

[40:21] is the most important thing in life so

[40:23] I'm taking my clue from the fact that

[40:25] Joseph had answered the question before

[40:28] it was asked so that I said say not

[40:30] clinging it was just what you said

[40:32] before

[40:33] oh you know just maybe to to open the

[40:40] conversation a bit I'm sure most of you

[40:43] know who Ron this is you know he was

[40:47] great he's a great friend and we knew

[40:50] each other years ago in the early days

[40:52] in India and I just saw him last

[40:57] December in living in Maui now and if

[41:01] many of you probably know years ago he

[41:03] had a stroke and quite quite powerful

[41:07] but he's in this amazing space you know

[41:11] of love and openness and open

[41:13] heartedness and so some friends had

[41:18] wanted her wanted to film a conversation

[41:23] between around us and myself and we're

[41:26] old old friends of many many years so

[41:29] they set up and we're sitting together

[41:31] we're having this conversation and of

[41:33] course he comes from the bhakti

[41:34] tradition the Hindu basta tradition

[41:36] and so for him the most important thing

[41:39] in life is love and it's it's really the

[41:42] language of love so we got into this

[41:48] conversation which we've been having now

[41:49] for 40 years you know and it was really

[41:52] quite fun and I was talking about a time

[42:03] after a Buddhist Christian conference

[42:05] that I had gone to and along with his

[42:08] Holiness the Dalai Lama and some

[42:10] Benedictine monks at Gethsemane Abbey in

[42:13] Kentucky and after the conference there

[42:19] were people involved in the Benedictine

[42:20] community who wanted a Buddhist

[42:25] commentary on the rule of Saint Benedict

[42:28] and says there's an actual book came out

[42:31] of it called Benedict stormer and so

[42:33] there were four of us four Buddhists who

[42:35] went through the rule you know and were

[42:38] giving a Buddhist take on this so in the

[42:40] conversations that we were having about

[42:44] that and as some of the Benedictine

[42:48] monks and maybe some of you know father

[42:51] brother david sundel lost was written

[42:54] beautifully about gratitude and devotion

[42:56] in love and he was talking i had a kind

[43:03] of no it's a little bit of an epiphany I

[43:08] was realizing that from one perspective

[43:12] the words emptiness and love mean the

[43:16] same thing you know that Buddhists use

[43:19] the word emptiness a lot in devotional

[43:23] practices these Lord love a lot but when

[43:29] you look at the experience it actually

[43:32] both has to do both have to do with you

[43:39] could say emptiness of self or

[43:41] selflessness or non separation if

[43:44] there's no self there's no other and so

[43:47] what is love other than that

[43:49] you know and so when us what is the most

[43:52] important thing in life I think there

[43:56] are many ways and many vocabularies to

[43:58] describe it and people will find the

[44:01] language that inspires themselves of

[44:03] some people it might be the language of

[44:05] love or the language of peace or the

[44:09] language of freedom or the language of

[44:12] emptiness but it's really important to

[44:15] go beyond the words and say okay what's

[44:17] what's the realization that it's at that

[44:20] informing those words actually your

[44:26] question made me think of a story I

[44:28] sometimes tell about you without ever

[44:31] mentioning your name which I still want

[44:34] but as I wrote a book called faith came

[44:39] out quite a number of years ago and in

[44:44] the book I tell the story about sitting

[44:46] with a group of people including a

[44:49] psychiatrist in New York City and we

[44:52] were having a discussion and from a

[44:56] certain vantage point looking from the

[44:59] hint and the hindsight meditation

[45:00] society point of view it was sort of a

[45:03] reductionistic conversation because the

[45:07] topic was what's the single most healing

[45:11] element in the psychotherapeutic

[45:13] relationship as though there were just

[45:16] one but anyway a nameless psychiatrist

[45:19] in New York City the group of us were

[45:22] having this conversation and he said

[45:25] it's love

[45:26] he said if you put the way it was

[45:30] phrased if you put any good

[45:31] psychotherapists up against the wall

[45:33] they'd say it was love it's the love in

[45:35] the room that's the single most healing

[45:37] element in the psychotherapeutic

[45:39] relationship and I had one of these

[45:42] experiences where you know you just hear

[45:45] these words come out of your mouth and

[45:46] what I heard come out of my mouth was

[45:48] was for all we know the single most

[45:51] healing element and the

[45:52] psychotherapeutic relationship is the

[45:54] fact that someone shows up for their

[45:56] appointment

[45:57] and I meant it you know because I was

[45:59] writing a book on faith and in a way

[46:01] that's how I was defining face like what

[46:04] gets us out of bed in the morning and

[46:06] has this willing to try and take some

[46:08] risks and believe in the possibility of

[46:11] change it's easier to stay in bed and

[46:13] show up for that appointment right so I

[46:18] put that story in the book and then the

[46:20] book came out on one of my birthday's

[46:22] and I was doing a reading and seeing

[46:27] that he was there his name was

[46:30] psychiatrist friend was there in the

[46:32] room I read that story in his honor and

[46:37] then he came up to me to get a book

[46:43] signed and he said I think you're wrong

[46:45] he said I don't think it's faith and he

[46:48] could love

[46:49] so in big letters I put his love right

[46:53] so then a good friend who's also here in

[46:56] the room gave me birthday party after

[46:59] the book reading so we're always the

[47:01] birthday party and he came back up to me

[47:04] he said you know I think you were right

[47:06] I think it is faith so I said give me

[47:09] back the book I'll refine the words are

[47:14] tricky and it's not just one thing but

[47:18] there's something to it I think both of

[47:21] obviously to the love which is this

[47:24] extraordinary ingredient in any any form

[47:28] of connection and also to our

[47:29] willingness to be there so maybe I would

[47:33] even say something about that in what

[47:35] life is about you know it's not just

[47:37] standing on the sidelines but it's kind

[47:40] of like going forward are there any

[47:44] questions from people look oh yeah

[47:47] the upper realms someone's going to come

[47:54] up with a microphone thing once you go

[48:02] upstairs and see what happens

[48:17] well Louisville waiting is anybody down

[48:20] here Sam PC I have a question about our

[48:28] panic attacks I mistresses know exactly

[48:34] what happens when you're having a panic

[48:39] attack and what you can do during the

[48:43] course of that panic attack and if you

[48:45] have any identification if that maybe

[48:48] has happened to you at some early stage

[48:50] and how you may either one of you may

[48:54] have been able to kind of practice these

[48:57] principles to learn to deal with them I

[49:06] don't really have a lie so the question

[49:10] was about panic attacks and basically

[49:15] working with them with the tools to work

[49:17] with them in the practice and whether

[49:19] we've had a personal experience of

[49:21] working with it so I haven't that I've

[49:28] worked a lot in my practice would feel

[49:30] as a very primal emotion they're deeper

[49:34] that's different then kind of the

[49:36] intensity the trigger of a panic attack

[49:41] and so what I'm going to say is very

[49:45] general and there'll be something useful

[49:49] in it or not but there's probably a lot

[49:52] is probably a very big body of knowledge

[49:55] about it which I don't have but in a

[50:01] general sort of way two things come to

[50:04] mind one is

[50:16] one of the principles in meditation

[50:20] practice and one of one of the reason

[50:25] it's called practice is that we

[50:30] gradually expand our ability to be with

[50:39] very unpleasant experiences because the

[50:43] usual conditioning with something that's

[50:47] very unpleasant so it could be pain

[50:48] physical pain it could be a strong

[50:51] emotion like fear but I work with a lot

[50:55] it could be rage it could be panic so

[50:59] there's a lot of both emotional and

[51:02] energetic things which can be very

[51:05] intense and very unpleasant what happens

[51:12] over the course of practice is that we

[51:16] develop a capacity to hold that energy

[51:20] to hold more of that energy without the

[51:24] reactivity to it you know so it's okay

[51:29] this is really intense this is really

[51:31] painful it's okay it's okay to just let

[51:35] me feel it

[51:35] just let me feel it now there'll be a we

[51:39] all will come to our limits or

[51:42] boundaries of what we can hold over time

[51:46] though and with practice what I've

[51:48] experienced is that that capacity to

[51:51] hold what can be very intense and

[51:54] painful the capacity gets larger and so

[51:58] I would say in terms of a practice

[52:01] taking in very small chunks but when a

[52:06] panic attack happens even if it's for a

[52:08] few minutes at the beginning you know to

[52:12] see if you can remind okay just let me

[52:15] feel it just let me feel it let me be

[52:17] with it you know and then maybe after a

[52:19] few minutes you get caught up in it but

[52:22] practicing in that way you might find

[52:24] that you develop that ability

[52:27] over time to hold it because it to as

[52:29] you will know is not permanent

[52:32] it's there when the conditions trigger

[52:34] it and at a certain point it goes away

[52:37] and so we just the practice itself

[52:42] develops that strength of mind over time

[52:45] in a gradual way so that's one general

[52:49] principle of what happens with

[52:51] meditation and it would be worth

[52:53] experimenting let's say even if it's

[52:55] just four minutes at a time to begin

[52:58] with the second thing which you've

[53:02] probably explored already but with

[53:06] difficult emotions one of the things

[53:09] that I find very interesting in

[53:13] meditation practice and in life is to

[53:17] see very precise as precisely as we can

[53:22] what triggers the particular response

[53:25] what triggers the emotion what triggers

[53:28] the anger what triggers the anguish what

[53:30] triggers the panic very often these

[53:35] things happen so quickly and then we're

[53:37] lost in whatever the reactivity is just

[53:43] one one brief story which may relate in

[53:47] some way this goes back years I was on

[53:51] retreat I was on a long retreat I had

[53:55] done something during the retreat that

[54:01] was very damaging to my body and there

[54:09] was a mess

[54:12] and for about six weeks

[54:18] I was just it was it was a retreat about

[54:23] anguish but I was just in a state of

[54:27] anguish about all this and what was

[54:29] feeding it was just this thought that

[54:34] kept coming to my mind

[54:36] how clever been so stupid to have done

[54:40] this thing voluntarily which had such

[54:43] disastrous consequences for the body

[54:45] that thought how could I have been so

[54:49] stupid

[54:49] was so seductive as soon as that thought

[54:56] came half an hour later I was crawling

[55:02] out of the story of it you know filled

[55:05] with this emotion of anguish and this

[55:07] has gone on for weeks and weeks at a

[55:09] time until finally it's like okay how am

[55:14] I getting so caught in this and I

[55:17] realized that I needed to be absolutely

[55:22] on top of that trigger point if I miss

[55:25] the first word of it I was gone it was

[55:29] so seductive and so believable so I just

[55:33] I set the radar out for that thought

[55:37] it's like how could I've been so stupid

[55:40] not even how did as soon as how came in

[55:44] come on I just didn't give it a moment

[55:49] airplane it took that vigilance but at

[55:54] least in that situation it was very

[55:57] effective you know because it no longer

[56:00] triggered that whole emotional reaction

[56:06] so that's just another element of how we

[56:10] can explore our minds when we get

[56:14] seduced again and again by a particular

[56:17] trigger point now panic may be more

[56:21] complicated than that you know there's a

[56:24] lot of energetic stuff going on but it's

[56:26] just an example of you know some

[56:29] possibilities of ways of working

[56:37] under 7000 okay yeah

[56:41] thanks very much so one of the issues

[56:45] that I have with Buddhism and I'm just

[56:47] wondering if you guys goes off comment

[56:50] on it is the difference between what I

[56:53] would call like practical advice

[56:56] practical guidance such as

[56:58] non-attachment impermanence you know

[57:02] great stuff who can argue with that

[57:03] versus Godman let's say and what comes

[57:07] to mind is rebirth enlightenment which

[57:13] you know arguably is just the story that

[57:17] can't really be proved so I just

[57:20] wondered if you guys have grappled with

[57:22] that and if so you know what how have

[57:26] you how have you done it and what

[57:27] conclusions have you come to um the

[57:31] question was about grappling with

[57:34] different aspects of Buddhist teaching

[57:36] one is seems very practical like

[57:39] impermanence non-attachment the other

[57:41] seems more like Dogma like rebirth and

[57:44] enlightenment although I would read I'm

[57:47] an interesting conversation about the

[57:49] latter and you know how a theoretical

[57:53] and how realistic it is but sort of

[57:56] having that kind of split or feeling

[57:59] that kind of split and what's been our

[58:01] experience so you know I went to India

[58:06] in 1970 and I was very much in search of

[58:12] a very very practical approach I really

[58:15] want to learn some methods for being a

[58:18] happier person and I finally found that

[58:22] in the context of his intensive ten-day

[58:24] retreat so the teacher was SN Goenka and

[58:29] the first night of that retreat this is

[58:31] like really my introduction you know I I

[58:34] mean I had read some books and stuff in

[58:36] college but this is really like my

[58:38] heartfelt introduction almost the first

[58:43] thing he said was the Buddha's did not

[58:45] teach Buddhism the Buddha taught a way

[58:46] of life

[58:48] and so that was the foundation of my

[58:52] understanding from the get-go

[58:54] you know and there was so much emphasis

[58:57] within that particular tradition or that

[59:00] those particular lineages of burmese

[59:04] teaching that you know of all the things

[59:09] of the buddha they would pick out the

[59:11] column of Ceuta you know don't believe

[59:13] anything just because I've said it

[59:17] because a great elder has said it

[59:19] because you've read it in this sacred

[59:20] text put it into practice see for

[59:23] yourself what's true that it was almost

[59:25] like that was like it looks like the

[59:27] ethical ground so questioning was

[59:30] important the most important thing was

[59:33] putting it into practice if you have the

[59:34] kind of cynicism so that you didn't want

[59:36] to bother doing that you know that was a

[59:39] different kind of doubt because I was

[59:41] just holding you back right just put it

[59:45] into practice see for yourself if it's

[59:48] useful what's true and so on but within

[59:51] the context definitely there was a

[59:54] cosmology and there was an approach that

[59:57] included rebirth and karma and many

[1:00:01] realms of existence and we had one

[1:00:04] teacher of teacher named moon indra who

[1:00:09] mr. to describe the environment in which

[1:00:12] we were being nurtured and and helped

[1:00:15] along he you know somebody would ask a

[1:00:17] question about rebirth into other realms

[1:00:20] of existence and he'd say you don't have

[1:00:21] to believe it it's true but you don't

[1:00:23] have to believe it

[1:00:25] you know so I personally have not felt a

[1:00:28] sense of grappling or or trying to put

[1:00:31] two disparate things together I never

[1:00:33] ever felt as expected of me that I have

[1:00:36] a buy-in to some system that didn't make

[1:00:42] sense to me I'm the other kind of does

[1:00:44] make sense to me you know but we've got

[1:00:47] especially enlightenment but it doesn't

[1:00:51] matter you know and if they told me it

[1:00:53] didn't matter so I wasn't going to make

[1:00:55] it matter and that I think we can tell

[1:01:00] it in ourselves that kind of healthy

[1:01:04] questioning is different than the kind

[1:01:08] of doubt that has a stand back and sort

[1:01:11] of I don't know about that you know it's

[1:01:14] like so old-fashioned or you know I have

[1:01:19] to be relevant or whatever you know

[1:01:22] which is really much more like cynicism

[1:01:26] I think then questioning just did some

[1:01:32] two things two things one is there's a

[1:01:39] very nice phrase by the poet called

[1:01:43] Coleridge I believe who talked about the

[1:01:46] willing suspension of disbelief and I

[1:01:50] think it's a very useful idea in dealing

[1:01:55] with things that are beyond what we may

[1:01:59] currently understand and to just

[1:02:03] acknowledge there there's a lot of

[1:02:05] mysteries about a lot of things and just

[1:02:10] a second the attachment to a belief that

[1:02:12] can be attachment to disbelief and what

[1:02:16] I found so helpful it is just this has

[1:02:20] become a very favorite mantra of mine

[1:02:24] with questions like this who knows

[1:02:30] but but it's not a who knows of

[1:02:35] confusion it's a who knows of openness

[1:02:38] it's like who knows you know certainly

[1:02:43] there are a lot of great beings who

[1:02:48] teach this and believe in it and but

[1:02:52] it's not something that I've experienced

[1:02:53] for myself so knows yeah and that

[1:02:59] openness just is a very evil way you

[1:03:05] know of engaging with new ideas or

[1:03:08] different ideas or things it seems

[1:03:10] strange without either attachment to

[1:03:12] believing them or attachment to

[1:03:14] disbelieving okay um so I'm a pretty uh

[1:03:28] when you stand up please I can I guess

[1:03:31] I'm sorry so I'm a beginner right I'd

[1:03:33] probably my first like big group

[1:03:36] meditation and so I was telling my

[1:03:38] co-workers like Oh like I can't go out

[1:03:40] you know where I'm going to this

[1:03:42] meditation thing I work I work at a law

[1:03:46] firm it's very competitive and they had

[1:03:48] all kind of just like implicitly assumed

[1:03:49] like I was doing it to get ahead or that

[1:03:52] there was some sort of advantage I would

[1:03:54] get out of it and so I was like there is

[1:04:00] right but my point is that I was

[1:04:03] thinking about it on the way up here and

[1:04:05] I'm like the why why am i coming

[1:04:06] here and I guess we said we talked a lot

[1:04:09] about intentions right and I think it's

[1:04:12] out to be shallow be to come here and be

[1:04:15] like well you know I can get ahead at

[1:04:18] work or I can get ahead and you know I

[1:04:19] can understand you know my relationships

[1:04:21] better or whatever so I guess what is a

[1:04:24] good intention to come to meditation

[1:04:27] with

[1:04:29] over the Hui Ganesha so the question was

[1:04:34] he's new to this business first and a

[1:04:37] big group meditation he works in a law

[1:04:38] firm very competitive but wondering

[1:04:42] about the motive the motivation even for

[1:04:44] coming here you know is it just kind of

[1:04:47] together

[1:04:48] to get a certain age engine and to get

[1:04:50] ahead and so question is you know what

[1:04:54] about motivation in undertaking a

[1:04:57] breakfast you know undertaking even an

[1:04:59] interest in it first I think it's really

[1:05:02] important to realize that motivations

[1:05:07] change you know and we may start with

[1:05:10] one motivation and maybe the motivation

[1:05:14] you know is not 100 percent pure as they

[1:05:21] might be you know ambition or you know I

[1:05:24] was this going to help me you know get

[1:05:27] ahead in the office or whatever it is

[1:05:28] which is not necessarily a bad

[1:05:31] motivation anybody but as we get into

[1:05:34] the practice and we understand the

[1:05:37] nature of just a whole our mind our body

[1:05:41] our lives and we become more attuned

[1:05:45] actually to the mid to the motivations

[1:05:48] that are running our lives that

[1:05:52] awareness itself that growing awareness

[1:05:55] of our motivations enables us then to

[1:05:59] begin to make some choices of this this

[1:06:02] feels like a good thing to do this this

[1:06:03] is not but the motivation will change as

[1:06:07] that understanding grows so I'll just

[1:06:10] tell one little motivation story to

[1:06:12] sharing story so I was on retreat first

[1:06:18] just so you know that for meditation

[1:06:22] teachers a good story is gold we like we

[1:06:28] like story vultures

[1:06:30] you know and and as soon as we hear it

[1:06:33] mine so I was on retreat and I was

[1:06:40] reading some Buddhist texts and I came

[1:06:42] across something and there was a good

[1:06:44] story in it and I thought Aaron was

[1:06:46] writing one of her books at that time on

[1:06:48] her many books and I thought that would

[1:06:50] be a great story for Sharon's book that

[1:06:53] was the first thought and the second

[1:06:56] thought was no I'll just keep this story

[1:06:58] for myself and then the third thought

[1:07:03] was no that's just being selfish I'm

[1:07:06] share the story with her but I'm going

[1:07:10] to tell her what I'm going through so

[1:07:11] she feels a little indebted item I just

[1:07:19] went through this hole finally at a

[1:07:22] certain point I asked basically the

[1:07:24] question you're here well with the

[1:07:26] purity of the motivation in all this

[1:07:27] yeah obviously so so many so many

[1:07:31] different motivations and I realized

[1:07:34] that there was a pure motivation and was

[1:07:37] in the very first thought so even though

[1:07:40] all those other thoughts followed

[1:07:43] because fortunately I was mindful enough

[1:07:46] to see them and to watch them I could

[1:07:48] just see them run through my mind ask

[1:07:51] myself the question of how where was

[1:07:53] that moment of pure motor I was in the

[1:07:55] first horse then I could go back and

[1:07:59] know off of the story to challenge from

[1:08:01] that place of the ps/2 the story she

[1:08:04] didn't even think was a great story

[1:08:05] [Laughter]

[1:08:14] so I think it's really really important

[1:08:18] to know that unless you happen to be a

[1:08:23] saint very often we have mixed motives

[1:08:27] you know and the more where we become

[1:08:30] the more or where we are of those mixed

[1:08:32] motives and to that awareness we can

[1:08:35] actually then begin to make some more

[1:08:38] skillful choices

[1:08:39] so I'd say whatever brings you to the

[1:08:41] practice whatever it is is fine I mean

[1:08:44] watch how the motivations evolve from

[1:08:46] that I was also highly amused I think I

[1:08:51] agree with everything Joseph said and it

[1:08:53] is true I believe that through

[1:08:56] meditation one has a greater acuity of

[1:08:59] perception more perspective taking and

[1:09:02] ability to not get so distracted and all

[1:09:06] the things that might help you get ahead

[1:09:07] in your work but I was just so highly

[1:09:10] amused that these days people think

[1:09:15] about meditation as a tool to get ahead

[1:09:17] whereas in my day you know like when I

[1:09:21] was young meditator it was like that's

[1:09:24] like navel gazing you know like that's

[1:09:26] like the laziest thing you could do

[1:09:28] that's like perpetual vacation you know

[1:09:31] you can end up being like a doormat so I

[1:09:33] think we've actually made some progress

[1:09:36] and only

[1:09:45] [Music]

[1:09:49] you

[1:09:49] [Music]

Sharon Salzberg
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Self-preoccupation often masquerades as self-love but is actually isolating. By practicing meditation and developing awareness, you learn to recognize when you are lost in thoughts about yourself. This awareness makes it possible to let go and genuinely see and listen to the person in front of you.
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